When I saw some recent headlines over at Charisma News like, Keeping the Shemitah Produces Supernatural Results, and, Why Jonathan Cahn’s Prophetic ‘Mystery of Shemitah’ Is Flying off the Shelves, I thought, “what is Shemitah, and why is Jonathan Cahn writing a new book about it?” It wasn’t until this morning that I saw a link to Sid Roth’s show, “It’s Supernatural,” in which Roth interviews Cahn that I began to feel the hairs on the back of my neck rising again. It wasn’t the first time I’d had that reaction to Roth, and Frankly Rabbi Cahn as well, as you’ll see by reading the Related Articles link at the end of this report.
Roth’s interview starts out this way:
Jonathan called me the other day and he said, “Sid, God has given me a revelation. I call it the Mystery of the Shemitah and it’s so big that it affects everything we as a people are personally doing and will affect the rise and fall of the United States of America. You know, the bestselling book, “The Harbinger,” which heeds a warning of judgments, they’re reappearing again. There’s nine of them. But one of the ones that is reappearing is the understanding and the revelation of a biblical term called the Shemitah.
At which point Cahn goes on to describe his extra-biblical revelation about the seven-year cycle of Shemitah, which he says begins September 25 and will result in God shaking the economy and possibly even causing famine in America:
Jesus said for us to look for the signs of the times of His return. The emphasis is not on the signs or on some obscure religious practice, but on Him. I am very concerned that yet another book by someone who is hearing God’s voice will point Christians away from God’s Word and become distracted by a man who is a self-proclaimed prophet. The prophets have spoken and yet we let our Bibles collect dust while we chase after modern-day authors.
Thank you. I find it interesting that when we talk about this Shemitah we always focus on the US. They say, "Look what happened in '01 on 9/11 or in 2008 with the stock market" yadda, yadda. Do none of these folks ask what happened in Israel, or Cananda or in Brazil or Australia in those years? (The answer is: Nothing). If this is a God-thing, it should affect the entire world. The USA thinks the world revolves around them. THAT, if nothing else, is why God's judgment will come upon our arrogant soil.
This was for that time in the old testament. Today we tithe and donate to charity by the love in our hearts. The Great Revelation is in the New Testament. God sent His son to save us from our sins. Therefore we must accept Jesus and repent and be baptised with the Holy Spirit. We must spread the gospel first to the Jew and then to the gentiles. The promise of the Jewish Remnant will come after Anti Christ has revealed himself in the Temple. The Jews will go through another Holacaust. Many will accept the Lord and become part of the 144,000. The Martyred. Jesus will come back known as the Day of the Lord and wipe out those who appose Him and deny the truth. He will cast out the Anti Christ and the false prophet into the Lake of Fire. Jesus will dwell with His people for a thousand years. There will be a New Jerusalem. One that worships God the Father and God the Son. Right now Israel has been physically restored. Some have accepted Jesus and we need to convert more. Spiritual Israel has not happened yet. We are concerning ourselves to much with Old Testament law. To really bless Israel share the Saving Grace of Jesus with them. Only a relationship with Jesus Christ can cancel our debts.
Well now that all the blood moons and predictions have come and gone. How can Cahn and others look at themselves with shame I hope.
Should all these so called prophets not read their Bibles and believe what the Lord has said. Why do you want to be a prophet where the bibles says that there are NO prophets today. God spoke to his people in PAST through prophets ( no more prophets we have the complete bible, we have all the revelations) God said Prophecy would vanish, which it did, NOW we have the Holy Spirit we do not need Prophets.
What did the people of old did to prophets that got it wrong? KILLED THEM?
THE PROBLEM IS NOT THESE FALSE PROPHETS, IT THE PEOPLE OF GOD THAT SUPPORT THEM BY BUYING THERE BOOKS AND THINK THEY ARE GODS.
BACK TO THE BIBLE, NO OTHER BOOK IS NEEDED. IF ONE DOES NOT OPEN HIS BIBLE AND ONLY LISTENS TO THESE FALSE TEACHES, YES YOIU WILL BE DECIEVED. STUDY TO SHOW YOURSELF APPROVED.
GOSPAL IS FREE, SALVATION IS FREE, GOD WILL NEVER LEAVE YOU OR FORESAKE YOU.
I have been preaching against all false prophets, even naming them. I have trumpeted the message, "Jesus WILL NOT return during any of the dates, seasons, or otherwise if mankind has called for it. I preached against the Blood Moons not having anything to do with Christ's return. I have studied all of this through the Bible and am convinced that I have spoken the truth, by preaching that God will not be dishonored by allowing any false prophet TO correctly state when he returns. NO ONE KNOWS THE DATE OF HIS RETURN EXCEPT THE FATHER. Some occurrences since 9/11 have been similar to the Old Testament, but true Prophecy would have been the voice of mankind warning of 9/11 before it happened. It is always easy to build a prophecy on what has already happened.
What I will say is that we must be prepared for Judgement NOW! I say as I have preached, "don't be concerned as long as false teachers and prophets call for the date of Judgement. I personally might be a little more watchful when they ALL stop because they have been exposed, embarrased or otherwise." True Christians must keep their faith alive through the works of Christ and stand for only the truth IN THE HOLY BIBLE.
There are no new revelation! That's the main reason why Jesus warned His people about false prophets and false messiahs! Cahn is a false prophet, pure and simple.
Revelation does not mean, "new concept" it means "understanding" and yes God still provides understanding. Proverbs 4:7 Wisdom is the principal thing; therefore get wisdom: and with all thy getting get understanding. It is not something new it is "understanding" what has already been there.
rev·e·la·tion
ˌrevəˈlāSH(ə)n/
noun
1.
a surprising and previously unknown fact, especially one that is made known in a dramatic way.
synonyms: disclosure
Greek: apokálypsi
It means the revealing or the disclosure of what's to happen. In the biblical perspective, it's the revealing of The Lord's return and His setting up His kingdom and the time of end of the church age.
How do you properly determine the cycle of 7 years, if we can not determine the starting point? Which no one knows…..also study the context of col. 2:16-18.
Your posts are very confusing and contrdictory.
I agree, just as God sent prophets to the nation of Israel to warn His people of judgement if they didn't turn from their evil ways, He is using men today also. God does not change, It is not His will that any perish but all come to repentance. There is always a warning before destruction and America is head towards destruction. God has bless this nation but a nation that forgets God is doom. God has used this man to speak on Capitol Hill but still their ears are turning away from God. The same thing that applied to Israel and many other nations applies to America. One cannot put God out of the schools, legalize abortions, and same sex marriages and think that swift destruction won't happen. Sodom and Gommoroh were literally taken off the face of the earth. God would not be just if America isn't punish as well. LET US PRAY FOR REPENTANCE AND REVIVAL FOR AMERICA SAINTS.
Awsome words
Yup yup. Cahn is a Con.
Nothing happened on sept. 15,2015. That makes Cahn a false prophet and a Con. Get it Cahn/Con.
I agree. Some are trying to act like old testament prophets, with warning of judgement. I hate it too.
Again, more date setting. More Israel has been replaced by America. Mr. Cahn has been wrong many times before. A true prophet of God gets one and only one chance, it's 100% accurate or it's not from God. Last time it was September 25 or December 25, 2014, then September 13, 2015. The so called cycle is done, nothing happened as prognosticated by Mr.Cahn, let it go……………… He's no prophet. Shemita was for Israel, not America, America has no covenant with God, neither does Europe.
If Jonathan Cahn is wrong then I will be just as wrong as he is. I told family four plus decades ago that Jesus Christ prophesied a Jubilee when HE quoted Isaiah 61 into Luke 4. Eli Stanley Jones predicted a Jubilee in his future from 1935 when he wrote his book, "Christ's Alternative to Communism". This use of the Shemitah and the Jubilee may require more than one year may be even three years for all the attached events to happen. Even the war of Psalm 83 that I have concluded will occur from Tisha B'Av July 22, 2018 to Rosh ha Shanah September 11, 2018. That war would be almost three years from now. The banks of London and New York City, their fractional reserve banking must fall soon within one year October 2016, and be indicted by world wide public opinion as criminals, for Jonathan Cahn to be a true prophet of God. That world wide public opinion indictment is in the OT book of Habakkuk 2:6 and other verses
As Cahn stated in the last Presidential Breakfast Inaugural Speech, "this September 13th, 2015 was to be the date of Americas financial downfall"…. Still waiting…..Help me here….
The Lord said this will be pandemic in the last days, here we are……. Many more will be coming out of the woodwork. As for Mr.Cahn he won't go away, he'll come out after the dust settles with another date, you'll see. And his loyal followers will be right behind him making all kinds of excuses for him when his predictions fail again. Research how many times he's been wrong. God's true prophets only got one chance, they were 100% correct.
they are ready have been huge numbers .I was told I was not saved because I spoke Against Jonathan Cahn.Sid Roth is a promoter of the false for profit and many christians and pastor run after his lies
the fools are ready in huge numbers to follow false prophets .I was told I was not saved because I spoke Against Jonathan Cahn.Sid Roth is a promoter of the false for profit and many Christians and pastor run after his lies …
I have yet to see a modern day prophet or prophetess giving accurate (100%) information. None. I'm not saying the office is open or closed, all I'm saying is that there hasn't been anyone, at least yet. All the books, all the sermons, all the videos, alluding to the author receiving any revelation from God have been proven wrong. Can anyone honestly point to a true prophet today? I think the honest answer is no. Perhaps as we get closer to The Lord's return some might rise speaking revelation in truth………as for now, not a one.
It is true that we must use careful discernment. There are MANY false teachers and prophets today. But, (correct me if I am wrong) it seems that Amy is against ALL forms of Pentecostalism, which is a false teaching.
Amy wrote, "I am very concerned that yet another book by someone who is hearing God’s voice will point Christians away from God’s Word…" I understand this point, but she seems to imply that there cannot be a true prophet today, which is another false teaching. Clearly, the New Apostolic Reformation has produced numerous false prophets. The Bible is clear that signs and wonders follow those who believe. However, the Bible does not say, "Those who believe follow signs and wonders," as Sid Roth does. We must use discernment, but we must also be careful not to dismiss a true prophet as a false prophet. I do not know enough about Johnathan Cahn to make that call, but I did not see anything unbiblical or alarming about the Harbinger.
Ye hypocrites – ye note the skies in the morning and at night – but cannot DISCERN the times
Oh yes, a follower of Jesus is discerning, he can see when a wolf in sheep's clothing is trying to pull the wool over his eyes, just like Mr. Cahn has been. One false prediction after another. Selling books to the gullible, that would rather read sensationalism than the truth in the gospels. I'd say Mr.Cahn is a hypocrite:
"The word hypocrite is rooted in the Greek word hypokrites, which means “stage actor, pretender, dissembler.” So think of a hypocrite as a person who pretends to be a certain way, but really acts and believes the total opposite."
He pretends he gets special revelation……………
See! Date setting, and and saying he's getting revelations and visions from God, in the time of Israel you know what they would've done to this false rabbi? No shame! And shame on those that keep following this charlatan!
Well? Where's the shaking?
The silence from the Cahn camp is deafening! Stop following this false teacher! America is NOT Israel!
Excellent Kate! But his followers will still blindly follow this false teacher! People don't learn! Having eyes to see they can't see, having ears to hear they won't hear. I wonder where Cahn is hiding out?
Well sep 13 came and went. No dramatic drop on the market. No asteroid. Nothing. And here we all are. Bunch of fools.
Great article; http://pulpitandpen.org/2015/09/14/jonathan-cahns…
Are you all scared of these events?
No
God has never had a covenant with America, God's chosen people were not Americans, of any stripe. In Christ there are no Jews or Gentiles, the Church is comprised of believers only. America was never commanded by God to let the land lie fallow, ever! God never spoke to America. The reason America was so blessed 1. It helped spread the Gospel all over the world, 2. It supported Israel when no one would. Today, most seminaries are corrupt and apostate, this administration is characterized by its anti Israeli fervor, letting Israel's arch enemy secure a nuclear device. It's disdain for Jerusalem believing it should be turned completely over to Israel's enemies. Mr. Cahn is doing a great disservice to the myriads that follow his ill conceived, biblically erroneous philosophy, he's a manipulator and a showman with a rabid following of supporters that are too lazy to read scripture like they're commanded to and check if what Mr. Cahn is preaching correct. Just by his America is Israel premise I can tell you his self made theology is false.
A biblical truth out of context is not applicable. Mr. Cahn stated that last December 25th, God was turning America into a desert, there would be nation wide famine and there would be a physical shaking. That was last year now, now he's saying September……….. What does God say about people who make predictions and claim to be getting revelations from Him, then those revelations don't happen? Mr. Cahn is not a prophet of God, Mr. Cahn is selling books.
I have read the scriptures and ask God to show me his true ways and precepts. Everything Mr. Cahn states, he backs it up 100 percent with biblical truths. As someone mentioned earlier in the comments, God moves in mysterious ways. Especially if we as believers, fail to present the Word as it is to be presented. As it has been mentioned in the scriptures, a Prophet is not valued or worthy by his own. If God can’t get us Believers to do our job, he has stated that the rocks of the earth would testify of the truth! I see we have here a bunch of itchy ear so called Christians wanting a feel good message. There is nothing feel good about the pending judgements going to be unleashed upon this world! He that hath ears, let him hear what the Word of God has to say!
Hello Linda,
The problem with Cahn is his premise, he replaces Israel with America. Once the premise is wrong, the whole equation is wrong. Shemitah or letting the land lie fallow, was directed at Israel, not at the U.S.
Why is America a "she?" Why can't America be a "he?"
I do believe that Rabbi Cahn was given good information & revelation about our nation, America. I also feel that if it is causing repentance (tshuvah) then God definitely had purpose in this. Many people never even knew what the shemitah was & this caused them to research & learn & delve deeper into God's Word…. another purpose of our God. Again, He sees the whole picture. I do have trouble with date setting but even that teaches a valuable lesson to never rely on man …..only our God Himself truly is in control of everything.
If the shemitah does happen, I could only say thank you Lord. Because we need a major change in this society. A good shaking where people repent and seek Gods face is what's missing. Too many people are trying to be politically correct. I blame the local churches for not standing up to these special interest group that have hidden agendas and are using our tax dollar to protect and promote homosexual behavior and other criminal behaviors. The church will be held accountable for not standing together and allowing theology and philosophy to cause division. We as believers need to be united and stand up to what is wrong. The state nor the Legislators should have no say so, about morality. It's the church that should voice and stand up and take over the directiion of this nation. Not the political special interest groups.
Thank you
I am a lecturer in empirical research methods at a Christian university, and have written a comprehensive empirical and statistical evaluation of Cahn's hypothesis, using GDP and stock market data, in order to verify or rebut his claims. The report can be downloaded at https://www.dropbox.com/s/tl40tsanm6i5aaf/Cahn%20…. Unfortunately, too few people venture into examining Cahn’s claims.
how much repenting does America have to do to get God to forgive America- how many people, how often, etc?
Hey Grant,
It's not about how much, it's about doing it, this country has never repented of anything as a country or as a people, since 1973 over 50 million children have been murdered, now homosexuality is the law of the land, our judges, leaders and even pastors are approving what is blasphemous in the eyes of God. God has withheld His hand because He still has people here that follow Him, this society will not repent, how can they? They rejected God along time ago, what are the odds people will repent of homosexuality, thievery, adultery, kidnapping, drug abuse, murder…….. What are the odds the money preachers from TBN will repent, return the millions they stole and make things right? How about the Supreme Court Of The United States, they have blood on their hands. Rightly so the bible says men love darkness rather than light. America will not repent. We as the church are to reach those that are lost, individually, if they have ears to hear and eyes to see, perhaps God will show them mercy to come to Jesus for forgiveness and salvation. First thing, the pride of life must be dealt with. How many will say on that day, "I'm a good person, I even did miracles in your name," to which Jesus will say, "depart from Me, I never knew you."
Where in the KJV is “shemitah” name book and verse plz
David James, you wrote: "The Shemitah (Jewish Sabbath year) was an obligation given specifically and exclusively to the nation of Israel, and there is no biblical support whatsoever for the idea that God would either require any other nation to observe the Shemitah year or that He would impose a Shemitah-type judgment according to a seven-year cycle on any nation, including Israel itself. "
Let's presume that you're correct. My question is: By those individuals comprising the nation of Israel satisfying their obligation to God, how is it that the economy of other nations would not be impacted?
Dummies. If the fake jew is in on it, of course he will be correct. You cretans!!!
Go see Shemitah Deception by NOSHEOL TARSUS, on You Tube, 2 parts, see info section. Meteors can be nudged into orbit, Zions Jews can crash economy, or their cohorts, Anglo- Germania devils.
Part 2 is uploading. Best wake up. Christians been caned by the can man. Dimmies, just because they engineer things, it can still be prophecy.
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Holding opinion till after Sept 2015. Y2K was supposed to cause doom and gloom but it was a flash in the pan & nothing happened.
What about last December 25? When the good rabbi predicted that God would be shaking the nations economically and there would be a great famine in the U.S.? He failed in that one pretty badly. So now we have to wait till end of October not September to see if rabbi got it right? I'd hate to be in his shoes when he gets to meet God.
One needs to wait till after Sept. 2015 to see if Jonathan Cahn is correct. Can't help but remember Y2K and nothing happening after all the prophecies of doom on that did not come to pass.
Good Heavens those man are both money making machines, didn't Jesus give the message for free? Yes he did !!
He said to the Apostles, TAKE NOTHING WITH YOU, PEOPLE WILL GIVE YOU FOOD AND CLOTING.
But this>>>>> ???
Ya but he's date setting we may know the times we are living in but not the dates that's false prophecy
When Jonathan wrote the HARBINGER as fiction instead of as a prophetic pronouncement I knew he was ‘hedging his bet’ in case things didn’t pan out the way he said they would (and they won’t). When he took his fiction to Strang (Charisma’s publisher, a purveryor of the ‘prosperity gospel’ and other false tenets readily gobbled up by sensualist, experiential charismaniacs) I knew he had gone off course. He came from a Church of the Nazarene background, but you’d never know that now. Married a woman 20 years his junior, and bought a nice home for them while soliciting extra funds from churchgoers because their house of worship got flooded yet again (it’s down in a pit). They’ve had a lot of splits over the years, and many elders and a pastor or two have left, aside from many congregants. Many new folks have poured in because of the success of the books. He stirred up a lot of unstable souls and pocketed over a million dollars for himself in the process. Not too shabby, from a secular business standpoint, but fleecing the flock is another matter. Will God take kindly to that? Well, right now Jonathan is suffering from thyroid trouble and dropping weight rapidly, while his wife is in the throes of Lyme disease. I do not gloat over this. I know what the shemitah is, and I also know a huckster when I see one, too. The USA is not Old Testament Israel. This country does not have ‘special status’ with God. Many, many entrepreneurs made this nation ‘great’ over several hundred years. The average person in Kuwait has a higher standard of living than a North American. Does that make them ‘blessed of God’? Not hardly (and they’re muslims). Christ will come at an hour we do not expect. The rapture is and has always been imminent—now more than ever. The supernatural gifts of God are real, but so very unlike what charismaniacs think them to be. They do not know the character of Christ. What a beautiful thing to walk in His anointing! And to be anonymously useful. Jonathan is working hard at making a ‘name’ for himself, even holding hands with reprobate men like Benny Hinn and Rodney Howard-Browne who operate in demonic spirits. Yes, they sell Jonathan’s books and promote him. That should tell you something.
AMEN!
Well said, amen!
Perhaps there isn't time to understand or believe, just witness the Glory of God!
Why are people so concerned about this Shemitah …. when they will not worship on the Seventh Day which God blessed and made holy … the only day that He blessed … and is a COMMANDMENT … His children are to love him and keep his commandments … not profit from a word taken from the Bible. All indications point to Jesus soon Second Coming and we better take His command to study His word … this is not the time to be fooling around with profit seeking extra-biblical theories. The battle is between good and evil, between God and satan, and we know who wins. Place yourselves in Gods Army to let Him know we love Him, He does not need us to fight with Him, he is perfectly capable of handling satan Himself, but He will look around and see the Christian Soldiers who are for Him, then we will be homeward bound for all eternity. Forget about the Mid-East, they are content to destroy each other, so be it. Their foolishness and refusal to accept Jesus Christ will condemn them to the consuming fire-no they will not forever be tortured-they and all the wicked, along with satan will be consumed and there will never again even be a chance for sin.
Cahn, love the Freemason hand sign.
Steven I pray that God will change your heart and mind before it is to late. One thing is certain – that we all are one heartbeat away from judgement. My friend, don't end up on the wrong side of that!
You say you have written an article biblically evaluating this critic's ideas. Is it available online, and if so, can you please provide a link?
Have you read "The Harbinger" or "The Mystery of the Shemitah"? You can draw whatever conclusion you want but if you'd actually read these books I believe your comment would be different.
I have, and have found them to be unbiblical based on jumping to conclusions on a faulty premise, or taking a descriptive historical text about Israel and making it a prescriptive text for America.
You know, I would rather know this and know how to pray than to not know and not pray. standupwi, I do hope you know the Lord Jesus Christ as your personal Savior and have a relationship with Him. He loves you and He died and rose again for you so that you can have eternal life. If you have never accepted Him as your Savior, He loves, loves, loves you and I hope you take the time to ask Jesus into your heart and ask Him to forgive you of your sin and live your life going forward for Him. God Bless you standupwi.
Yes, I read them. Not everyone is as gullible as you.
I do agree with you Jerry
Why is seeing a dead man rise demonic? Where do you get off calling someone demonic?
um, no. Actually manny1962 made a comment here that I clicked on. I fear you think too highly of yourself, people stalking you. I was actually following this Tom's thread since I was here here . And yes there is a similarity because I don't support Reformed Theology. You accuse so many of stalking and attacking you and now you accuse me of being someone you dislike. Yet it is you who attacks anyone not supporting Reformed Theology. Between you and gracealone1 and your ad hominem attacks you should be removed by policy. I think you have a deeper problem than reformed theology. I read your testimony at mywordlikefire.com
If you were attempting to respond to manny, you erroneously clicked on the wrong 'reply' button, for your reply came straight to my inbox. Perhaps you need to be more careful in the future. It's strange, your comment referred to exactly what I stated about seeing the dead raised being demonic. You responded by stating "Why is seeing a dead man rise demonic? Where do you get off calling someone demonic?" I see nothing from Manny concerning this topic. Are you certain you were not replying to my comment?
I don't think not wanting to be stalked makes one 'high and mighty'.
As for godsfingers, he was banned from this site for doing exactly what you are starting to do – criticize and belittle. You may need to heed the comment policy yourself.
As for my testimony concerning what Christ has done, I am not sure what underlying accusations you are attempting to make -do be warned you will not last here if you continue along that line.
Now, I do not follow any 'reformed' or 'calvinistic' theology. What I do follow is the holy word of God – that should put an end to your unwarranted accusations.
One more thing – another thing you and godsfingers have in common, you both seem to have a charismatic/pentecostal flavor to your beliefs. But, you aren't him right? You aren't using multiple monikers correct?
Boy! The similarities between you and 'godsfingers' just keep piling up! You start your response with 'um, no'. It's funny, but I found that same wording in some of 'godsfingers' responses, from the thread concerning the Holy Spirit making movies – 'godsfingers' says "Um, what are the quantum physics teachings?" There's the 'um' word!
From the 'will your church be buying the Roma Downey sermon kit' godsfingers replies, "um, read below". Once again, the word 'um' appears. Isn't that coincidental?
From the 'are you an out of church Christian' we find this from godsfingers, "um, no, it means draw to or from." There's the exact phrase that you just used Joshuascamp! Isn't that just too strange?
There's another example from the same thread I already mentioned concerning the Holy Spirit making a movie – once more godsfingers says "Um, no one has trolled on my end". What are the chances that two different posters would use the same phraseology? I would guess the odds are about the same as winning the lottery.
I will only give one last example, from the thread on Bethel Church's Apostle Bill Johnson comedy errors, we find godsfingers using the same word that you use – "um, where do you get #5"
Could this all just be coincidence? um, no….
I only have one more similarity to point out, you commented on the 'American public schools are officially gay' post and stated "This is why Wisconsin NEEDS school vouchers across the board." Godsfingers resides in Wisconsin and raises grass fed cattle, so the concern for what happens in Wisconsin school system would be of importance to him. Now, do you reside in Wisconsin as well? Is that why you express concern? That would really be so coincidental!
Oh, and godsfingers didn't like John MacArthur either…boy oh boy! Isn't it funny how two separate posters could be so very identical!
"Could this all just be coincidence? um, no…. "
Funny, you said it and it looks like you stalk his comments, and I guess mine now. I will not be dragged into your quarrel.
Let's stay on topic. This has nothing to do with the article.
I'm not sure how the posting policy works here, it's like a double standard. She apparently dragged Tom, above, with character assassination, she was accusing some other guy recently of being godsfingers using ad hominem attacks and now she's accusing me. Wasn't godsfingers kicked off because he suggested that she was using multiple accounts as I recall?
I asked a simple question above regarding her comment about demons and got dumped on. I have no desire to be dragged into her quarrels.
What does Godsfingers have to do with this topic? Nothing. I simply asked everyone – not just one person – not to hijack the conversation with accusations against each other, and now Lyn has deleted all of her comments. Could you not have instead simply connected with each other? You can find emails and sometimes websites when you click on each other's profiles.
Given her militancy I don't think exchanging emails would have been wise. I'd advised repeatedly that I didn't want any part of her quarrel. I don't know what to say regarding her subsequent reaction.
Getting back on subject, no I won't be snookered by shemitah or any of the jubilees. I once heard it said, "how much should I give?" This answer, 50% because Jesus said to love your neighbor as yourself.
You might want to research the End Times Nation that has over a hundred parameters and characteristics of America and many that only America has. Judgment will come from God, but the modern day preachers claim this will be a nation built in Iraq.
Matthew 25:13 Watch therefore, for ye know neither the day nor the hour wherein the Son of man cometh.
So you also want to sell a book….hypocrite
Only a select few ended up believing Noah and his warnings. We need to be prepared. When the events become totally evident, it will be too late.
You've obviously not read the Bible, the Harbinger or The Mystery of the Shemitah." You and your family will be caught off guard. "As it was in the days of Noah, so shall the coming of the Son of Man be…" what was it about the days of Noah that we are seeing now? Certain laws will be passed on the Federal level that were always forbidden in the past up until these last days. Do your homework; watch, listen, pray!
Yes I know what you are talking About and it’s not about “shemitah”
Be a scripturl believer not a biblical one. Divisionaries all believe The Bible. Early Christians b4 divisions taght scripture as plural writings & truth seekers should stop assuming that everything in "The Bible" is God's Word.Luther the true protestant did not assume this.
This book and this man have destroyed my marriage. My husband is currently living at his fathers because he believes this so whole heartedly that he refuses to listen to anyone and keeps saying September will prove he is right. He has left his job and started stock piling food and water because he believes in this so strongly. He spend over 200 dollars on this mans "material' and called me tonight to tell me tomorrow he is going to purchase more. I am so strongly against all of this that it is making me not even want to try to reconcile because he is so easily swayed by false teachings. It is very hard to see people out there exploiting peoples fears and paranoia about the end times and disasters that they are selling to the public for more money to spread the "truth". Thanks Jonathon Cahn for making a believer of your lies out of my husband and for my husband for being dumb enough to believe him.
My heart goes out to you Mary, having grown up in the church, and been in "ministries" most of my life. I have SEEN it all, and it isn't pretty. We had a worship leader who got it in his head that his family-wife and kids-were holding him back from his TRUE calling in the LORD (hogwash of course) but he left a beautiful wife, and sons, because he was "called" to leave them (unscriptural) to further his "ministry". It tore open up a church and had a huge rippling effect. Some thought he could DO no wrong, others thought he had LOST it. He divorced his wife, refused to reconcile with his kids. And married a woman 9 mths later half his age. The only I think this was about was a severe midlife crisis. His "ministry" now is about GIVING to his ministry, to BLESS his ministry, to further his MESSAGE. Before it was about worshipping for LORD. Now it seems to be all about his GREAT talent, and his need to be heard to "bless" the Body. God can deal with Jonathan Cahn, not my issue, but it GRIEVES me when families are destroyed because of any teaching or teacher, sigh. The only "material" anyone needs is a Bible. You don't need tapes, CD, seminars, TV, radio, you need time alone with the AUTHOR!
The problem is that he has too. Many people brainwashed into his teachings one lady told. Me how dare I question the prophet of God and she cornered me in a room at a singles event when she would not let me leave until she had her say another women at another singles event said oh he is a genius these. People who follow him I call them cahnanites are putting him on a pedestal and believe he can not do any wrong and. His teaching are beyond reproach and questioning they believe that anyone who does is envious of Cahn or. with the devil
Well you may want to hold off on your judgement. Cahn states "While the current Shemitah runs from September 2014 through this September, Cahn told the audience that the "Super Shemitah"—or the year of Jubilee, the year at the end of seven cycles of the Shemitah—begins this September and runs through September 2016." He states that if something happens it could happen during this Jubilee. Every time i've read an article or saw an interview with him about what he believes is going to happen he clearly states that it may not happen, and he could be wrong, and that God has his own timetable. If he says that, I really don't think he's trying to be a profit. I truly believe he is just trying to warn people by telling them what has happened up until now, and what MAY happen if things stay on course with the Shemitah.
It's a fictional book yet people are proclaiming it as real prophesy ,lol,lol,I overheard a man on the bus telling people the world was ending and to prove that he was quoting pastor Khan almost 100% instead of scripture. I interrupted quickly and told him I'm a personal friend of plastic an interrupted quickly and told him I'm a personal friend of Jonathan ,was a member of the church for years ,I used to help set up for services there,loved and was loved by most there from the very beginnings of Beth Isreal but I fully agree this is false teaching ,I am not blinded to false teaching because I love the man Jonathan Khan,I follow no pastor ,I respect him but follow Christ and the Word of God ,many can't separate truth from fiction because they don't love God exclusively enough,I always say,follow me as I follow Christ but if I go left when scripture tells you go right,then leave me by all means to pursue peace with Christ and the Word
Jonathan Cahn could very well be the voice of Elijah.
He's is the voice of Cahn, not Elijah. Elijah's ministry was more than once approved and testified by God, Elijah was granted to perform miracles, Cahn is not. What Elijah predicted came to pass, What Cahn predicted never did, his date setting proved him FALSE. Yet people follow these charlatans and worse yet, they approve of their false ministries and teachings……..HAVE YOU NOT ALL READ WHAT THE BIBLE SAYS ABOUT THOSE CLAIMING TO SPEAK FOR GOD? HOW DOES GOD SAY TO TEST THESE MEN?! Cahn and his ilk are deceived and deceiving the simple and uneducated. Wake up people!
No he couldn't.
Yea because we really do a great job keeping the Mosiac covenant … seriously are you Jewish, you should read Galatians.. Have fun try to please the lord by keeping the law, maybe you will be the first to do so!
Yep because everybody knows a man praying with his head covered is biblical (not) And oh yea we are under the mosaic law too.. Wow… Paul would really be afraid of you.. 2 scriptures for you all Matthew 23:8 But be not ye called Rabbi: for one is your Master, even Christ; and all ye are brethren.
We are not to follow Jewish mysticism, but SOUND DOCTRINE..
Titus 1: 9 Holding fast the faithful word as he hath been taught, that he may be able by sound doctrine both to exhort and to convince the gainsayers.
10 For there are many unruly and vain talkers and deceivers, specially they of the circumcision:
11 Whose mouths must be stopped, who subvert whole houses, teaching things which they ought not, for filthy lucre's sake.
12 One of themselves, even a prophet of their own, said, the Cretians are alway liars, evil beasts, slow bellies.
13 This witness is true. Wherefore rebuke them sharply, that they may be sound in the faith;
14 Not giving heed to Jewish fables, and commandments of men, that turn from the truth.
Maybe we could all sing:
Imagine there's no countries
It isn't hard to do
Nothing to kill or die for
And no religion too
Imagine all the people
Living life in peace…
Not even with a gun to my head or a guillotine above it!
Anyone listening to ANY of this BS needs their head examined ASAP.
Finally! A good ground level response to all of this. Read the Bible, then you will be able to discern fact from fiction using the right standards.
What makes me doubt Kahn's words is the fact he believes the four blood moon fairy tale…The blood moons are supposed to be the wonders in heaven….prophecy of Joel and acts 2-18, 19…The wonders in heaven are in Revelation 12-1 and 3…..The prophecy in Acts 2 says the blood sign in the the earth, not the heavens…It also says the stars of heaven fall in this prophecy..The stars of heaven fall from heaven in Rev. 12.. there is more to this but the fact is the blood moon theory is a lie and is not about God's prophecies.. in Scripture.
There is a difference between giving a warning and frightening people. The only thing you need to do is go straight to God. I'm not saying this lightly. He will show you what is from him and what is not. I have studied this for some time now, and I do see both sides. It can be terribly confusing. God has shown me that he ultimately has all answers to all mysteries, both seen and unseen. We need to be ready for the day he does return and no one knows when that will be. Please seek God wholeheartedly and he will divide the facts from the fiction. I hope you have a blessed day!
That was a very confusing response. You said "He will show you what is from him and what is not" if you ask him, yet you said you have studied this for a long time and you dont have a clue what to believe about this. Jonathan Cahn is making hundreds of thousands of dollars off of these books and I'm sure he's not going to stop writting them. David Platt has a sermon talking about books like these about afterlife and extrabiblical prophecy. "There is money to be made in peddeling fiction about the afterlife as nonfiction in the world of christian publishing today".
More so Galatians 4:10. Observing dates.
Simply Put America is nothing like Ancient Israel. America was built off of slavery and Genocide, the exact Opposite of Ancient Israel.
Maybe you should open your eyes
In obedience to the Old Covenant laws, we are commanded to wear clothing of only one fiber….a "pure" garment so to speak. Surrounded by individuals who desire to put the rest of us under the old laws, stealing away our freedoms now under the New Covenant in which Jesus, the Christ fulfilled, I was just wondering where the "law keepers" purchase their clothing for no retail stores in our area sell "pure and holy" clothing. Consider your jeans for example made of 100% cotton; they still have metal zippers and rivets attached to them making them spoiled and soiled in the sight of a Holy and Righteous God.
I came out of an abusive law keeping church where hypocrisy reigned supreme. Even the "law keepers" could not attain perfection all the while beating us over the heads with their pet doctrines. I still have yet to see an individual live the life of an old covenant believer to perfection.
This day, I choose to live under the New Covenant of Jesus, who humbly went of His own free will to the cross, whose blood has covered my sins. To live under the old covenant is to deny the finished work of Christ on that tree.
Karen,
I agree, I came out of some real whopper churches where it would seem more befitting of a afternoon soap opera, not a house of God. I get it. Totally.
The more religious a person is, the more judgmental they can be. I don't want to ever project that attitude. It is not in my heart, so I hope it is not translated to you as such. We fall down, but the goal is to get up quickly, repent and get back on the path to Life. There are many things I didn't understand in the front of the Bible because I didn't think like a Hebrew. There are cultural perspectives us westerners don't get because we wear Greek glasses. It takes time but if you study some Hebrew idioms, you might find not everything is as harsh and confusing as it first appears. There are some things which are literal and we would do ourselves a favor by abiding by them but I encourage you not to see them as burdens to be born, any more than traffic signals are. They are there for safety, order and ultimately our protection. The fence around our yards is not to keep our kids/pets from having fun but to protect them from intruders, predators, and accidents in the street. His instructions are because He loves us. Nobody should be beating you over the head with them. Trying to force another adult to conform against their will is like witchcraft – trying to control them. In the end, you might have someone who is compliant but their hearts are far from it so what really has been gained? A big ego over all the people they have forced to comply? If they love people, they will persuade them, encourage them and teach them and when there is a genuine understanding of the principles behind the instructions of God, there will rejoicing in His transformative powers, not man's creative manipulation. I wish the best for you.
I find it very interesting that those of you who are quoting scripture are referring to GOD, scripture claims that there are many god's, do you know that satan is the god of this world? Scripture also says that if it were possible even the very elect would be deceived.
If you are interested in learning scriptural truth I suggest you visit the website http://www.considerthis.net. Here you will find scriptural challenges to all Christians. We challenge you to gather all of your religious doctrines and beliefs into one place and then prove to yourself from scripture that those doctrines and beliefs are found there in their entirety.
You cannot be His follower if you are not in obedience to Him and you cannot be in obedience to Him if your beliefs and doctrines are not totally supported by His word.
And yet the Holy Spirit PROVIDES signs and wonders for the building of the church.
I have read the Harbinger and watched hours of interviews and teachings of Jonathan Cahn… but as Mr Cahn has said..he is not saying it WILL HAPPEN on the 25th.. he is clear on that.. and has said multiple times that it may not..he is saying it could..if God continued in the same pattern..that is his point. . So give it a week anyway.. before you repost.. or even longer… it doesnt have to happen that exact day.. Please dont shame them yet..:)
AMEN Sharon!!
God's ways are not our ways, His thoughts are not our thoughts! So what makes us "know it all?"
Only the Holy Spirit can open our hearts and minds to the Truth. The big majority in the U.S. has hardened their hearts and minds, thus they cannot see the Truth! That is why Christianity has waned in America. Only those with "The Spirit" who have open minds to Jesus and how and what he teaches will see the Truth. DO NOT POOH POOH THAT WHICH YOU DO NOT UNDERSTAND!
It is interesting to say the least, how this Charismatic News Magazine by J. Lee Grady has replaced the Bible in what some label "spirit led" churches and if one questions many of the bizarre doctrines promoted by this magazine, the poor church goer is labeled as "unsaved" by the spiritual elite.
And now I am told that I cannot eat pork for the laws of the Old Testament condemn this. I wonder if these individuals who condemn me for eating pork are wearing clothing made only of one fiber….as the Old Testament law commands? To even begin to live under the Old Testament laws invites hypocrisy in the purest form as Jesus called them out in His day, and the hypocrites are still with us today.
Have we stoned a false prophet lately?
Karen, your salvation is based on your faith in the one true living God. If you are saved, you are a part of Israel. The commandments are instructions for the realm of life, how to walk blessed, just as you might leave to go out on a date with your husband and leave a note for the babysitter on what shows your children are allowed to watch on TV and what foods you want them to eat. It's not because you don't love them and want them to have fun. Sure it would be gobs of fun to eat candy and drink pop and stay up late watching scary movies…..but you as their all-knowing mother want to protect them from the consequences of such choices. Eating unclean foods, no matter how much the world tells you is so delicious and has nutrients, will have consequences in your body and health. You absolutely can eat pork, shrimp or drink fresh blood but not without harming yourself. It's not about salvation, its about how to walk out the lifestyle of the redeemed and Yeshua (Jesus), a Jew, modeled it perfectly for us. He honored the Torah and commandments. He ate clean, kept the Sabbath, and lived a lawful life for us to esteem worthy to follow. Please consider reading the whole scriptures as one book, starting at Genesis and learning about the personality and heart of our Creator from His Word, not from someone who told you what to think or believe. It can be hard to do, when there are many voices out there. Don't even take my word for it. Just read for yourself and learn from Him what is good, true and relevant. He is the same yesterday, today and forever. I am still learning, and have a long way to go but I encourage you to reconsider your position regarding His commandments.
Sid Roth has been on my don't waste my time for over a decade. Is this a surprise?
It gets even more bizarre….now it's a cow with the # 7 on its head.
Jonathan Cahn Shares on Jim Bakker Show his Startling Prophetic Mystery About the Seventh Cow
A throwback to Pharaoh's dream in Genesis, on Sept. 25, a cow with the number seven was born and hit the news wires. Now, Cahn says the mystery deepens.
Watch the video to see what he says about the cow. http://www.charismanews.com/world/49165-watch-jon…
Now it's a cow….what next…another book?
If you read and obey the "whole" Bible Jonathan's teachings fit well. Most tend to think only the New Testament applies to them today. Remember Matthew 5:17 “Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them.
you do understand what fulfill means don't you? When you fulfill a contract the contract is complete, no more to do. Man couldn't complete the contract and it's provisions so it continued until fulfilled.
Yeshua was the goal all along. Everything previous was a type and shadow of what was to come, the perfect being the goal, being the ultimate Passover Lamb. It is not in the context of the end of commandments, but the end of a need for the perfect blood atonement for our sins, once and for all. Yeshua, a Jew, was a Torah observant, practicing Jew who honored and obeyed the commandments of Torah, not Talmud (men's commandments). He wore a traditional Hebrew clothing, ate clean foods according to the commandments, and honored the Sabbath, not (SUNday). He truly fulfilled the required payment for our sins but did not do away with the commandments….not one of them.
Yes, sadly.
The kiss of death came to America when you elected Barak Obama as president and many of you BA Christians didn't bother to vote at all, the left wing democrat machine got into full swing, it has nothing to do with Harbinger or Shimitah it has to do with the church becoming lovers of religious pleasure rather than lovers of God, we do need national repentance, starting with the leaders, their sin, adulteries, misuse of the finances of the ministries on themselves and their families, support for traveling "teachers" and no support for evangelists, the church remains silent
I checked the dates of the stock market crashes for 2001 and 2008, and they did fall on Elul 29. Along with the sign of the WTC falling (judgment returning to the place of consecration) and the Isaiah 9:10 rebellion that was repeated by key people in our ruling body in the U.S., that is enough for me that God is warning us. I don't need to buy the book. Now I am working on preparing a little bit physically and drawing closer to the Lord. God will take care of his own. I appreciate the warning. It makes me more careful to pray and watch.
Trying to understand why preparation (just in case) is such a bad thing.
Let's just see what happens and not fight about it.
good idea Amy..we lose track of our savior's command when there is contention. I'm just learning more about Shemitah and what it means and the years that it took place in….AND the happenings of those years…Cahn has some very accurate facts put forth that grabbed my attention..and I can be a bit skeptical of so-called prophets. Now with the knowledge of Jade Helm coming into existence and ending on Sept 15th, I am trying to put some things together that spell a "wake-up" for America. Also, the Shadow Gov't is trying to rear it's ugly head I think!
You leave out that Cahn builds a case for America being a nation founded by Christians who deemed themselves and their new land, a new Israel, hence a nation like Israel and bound to be faithful to God. Also, Cahn doesn't claim cataclysmic events will occur in the Jubilee year,, but that they could. I don't know where anybody else thinks this country is headed, but I think it's headed for Big Trouble. The spiritual and secular "signs: are Food for Thought. Rabbi Cahn has offered his ideas. Personally, I find nothing to fear and nothing in what he has written that alters or shakes my faith.
To paraphrase Gamaliel, if he's right we'll know it soon enough and if he's wrong, nothing will come of it.
I suggest checking out the following link: http://jdlarsenmn.tripod.com/harbinger.htm
Very helpful! – A
My problem with the Shemitah is that it is limited. Even according to the promotional stuff, there are Shemitah years when nothing happens; and big things also happen on years that are not. This is what causes my doubts about the truth of this idea.
I have never found Sid Roth or some of the other touted 'prophets' to be notably accurate. All are accurate at times.
I agree with Stacy – Always start with the Bible. Know what it says and does not say. If you do choose to read these books, pray before beginning that the Holy Spirit will give you a check or nudge, or whatever you call it when something is not quite right.
And do not let it cause you to fear. If it brings fear, it is not of God. His perfect love casts out fear!
God's people need to go back and study the Jewish roots of Christianity before they judge anyone's books. God does thing according to His plan and not according to the ways of man. If you study the Old Testament and the Jewishness of Jesus then all this will make sense to whoever is doubting the information in this book. He that has an ear let him hear what the Spirit of God is saying to the Churches in these last days. My love to all, Deborah Ward
Start posting, because 'trinity' is a pagan doctrine of the Vatican Council of Nicea, NOT scriptural.
Are you kidding me?!
No, its not. Do your research. 2015 Passover starts the Biblical Jubilee (Sabbath of Sabbaths).
Hahahaha, Rabbinical Jews 'cannot change Yahwehs law,' scripturally it is for ALL Israel, for eternity. And Christians will be judged for rejecting Yahwehs Law, and His commandments. Even Yahshua told John in Revelation, only those that KEEP THE COMMANDMENTS OF YAHWEH have right to the Tree of Eternal Life.
Are you all idiots? Cahn is quoting from scripture. Sabbath(s) are Biblical events demanded by Yahweh for us to observe.
Stop with the name-calling, Ryan. You have been warned.
The Shemitah (Biblical Sabbath(s)) are still in effect, and only those led of Satan will 'forsake Yahwehs Law.' Yahweh said to 'Keep my commandments,' and Yahshua in Revelation told John only those that 'Keep the Commandments, and hold the Testimony of Yahshua will enter the Kingdom.'
Over 15 years ago, someone wrote a book called the "power of jabez" that sold 40 million copies, that made publishers and an author very wealthy–so wealthy that they decided they no longer needed to sell "christian books." The protestants preach prosperity and spend to live lavishly. Catholics leave everything to the pope to figure out, and send him their earnings. If the information is so valuable, it should be given for free–and it is. Research the title, and read the summary. Every seven years bad things occur.
Someone said it was 9/11 and then 2008, which are financial 7's. G-d bypassed the 2004, 9.6 earthqauke, and the 250,000 dead in the far-east, which would make the cyclical acount of 2004, 2011, 2018.
or is it 2000, 2007, 2014–2020
Or is it 2001, 2008, 2015–
or is it 2002, 2009, 2016–
———————————————————— triple process
Or is it 2003, 2010, 2017–2021
————————————————————dual process!!!
Or is is 2004, 2011, 2018, 2025
Or should we say that there is more than a parallel process going on!!!!!!
hopefully in prayer when He returns
You pose a wonderful statement…in the day of judgement…G-d will not be looking at your library to see if you have a Bible and have read certain passages.
The Roman Catholic bible? Protestant bible? (check for maccabees, check for the 14th book Danial) New World Translation? Walden? Korain? The bible never had punctuation, and corporations have since added it, along with subtle changes to provide false readings.
"Experience" in good works, greater things, will decide if G-d knows you…write your own scripture, include your prophecy, moving mountains, and shunning evils!
I don't think you need to buy a book to forecast that things are cyclical…
Preach it Michael its in scripture,People need to wake up,read their bible and quit being spoon fed by false prophets.
GOD EVEN THOUGH THREW AWAY ADAN AND EVEN FROM THE GARDEN AS GOD ALL-MERCIFUL SEND MOSES TO HELP THEM TO BEHAVE AND HOW TO USE THE LAND. THE SHMITTAH IS JUST A TIME FOR REFLECTION ABOUT THE SITUATION OF OTHER PEOPLE (I.E. PAY DEBTS) AND ROTATION OF CROPS (MEANING: CARING FOR THE BLESSINGS OF BEING IN THIS PLANET). PLEASE, LET'S PRAY FOR THOSE ASTRAY EVEN IF WE ARE. THE DEVIL IS TAKING A NAP BECAUSE IS OUT OWN THINKING AND NOT THE HOLY SPIRIT'S GUIDANCE. LET'S NOT CRITICIZE EACH OTHER. WE MUST BE AN EXAMPLE OF CHRIST. THESE TEACHINGS OF SHMITTAH VS. APOCALYPSE CANNOT BE CORROBORATED BECAUSE WE DON'T KNOW THE BEGINNING AND THE END, ONLY GOD KNOWS. WE CANNOT BASED OUR THINKING IN THINKING CAUSE OUR THINKING IS AN EDUCATED GUESS. GOD IS THE ONLY ONE WITH THE KNOWLEDGE. WHY DO YOU THINK THAT THE BIBLE SAYS THAT DON'T CHANGE ANYTHING. CAUSE GOD KNOWS PERFECTLY WELL WITH CHANGE MEANING TO WORDS. BASE EVENTS ON SIGNS OF HEAVEN OR PEOPLE IS CALLED ASTROLOGY. GOD SAID THAT WHEN HIS PEOPLE WOULD KEEP SINNING HE WILL MAKE THEM BELIEVE THEIR OWN THINKING. SO, LET'S CHECK OUT HEARTS AND JUST PRAY WITHOUT JUDGING THE MEANING OF THESE THINGS. BESIDES, WE SHOULD BE PREACHING WITH THE HOLY SPIRIT NOT ARGUING ABOUT POINTS OF VIEW. PRAY FOLLOW THE ACRONYM [PROSTRATE] YOUR HEART/ [REPENT] IN ACKNOWLEDGEMENT OF YOUR FAULTS. DONT DO IT ANYMORE / [ACT] DOING WHAT IS NECESSARY TO CHANGE ONESELF'S THROUGH GOD/ [YOD] BE THE HAND REACHING TO THOSE AND TEACHING THROUGH THE HOLY SPIRIT)
does it apply to usa? should i not plant my garden in texas?
You'd have to be a blind man on a galloping horse not to see that we are in the last days, and that something is about to happen. I dislike that Cahn has appeared on shows that I consider iffy, however, I also know that God can and will use a jackass if He wants. Yes, these things in the heavens, occurring on Biblical feasts, are VERY interesting. Selah?! Instead of trying to figure out what it all means, perhaps we should take the Lord's commandment to heart and WATCH. As for signs in the earth, my goodness, just go read the news.
In the last days Knowledge will increase. I have only read the Harbinger and if some one reads the Shimitah book it can just serve as a possibility. If you are really keeping up with the news behind the news, what is not being reported is astonishing. As far as calling someone a false prophet only time will tell. Bible first, everything else is either against it or has possibility that God is showing us what is really going on. I see nothing yet that goes against it here, yet.
Apparently your Bible IS collecting dust if you had no idea what the Shemitah is. The OT is just as important and pertinent to christians as is the NT.
Agreed! There was NO division of OLD testament and NEW testament originally. It was the Holy Scriptures. ALL scripture is given for inspiration, correction, teaching and training. HE is the same, yesterday, today and forever. Many theories have crept into the church which have the fingerprints of men, not the Almighty. Like any book, we need to start at the beginning with an open mind, not one that has been told what to think and how to think it. Learn of HIM and HIS ways and be willing to let go of vain traditions, fables and doctrines of men and devils.
"He who has ears, let him hear." Mark 4:9
I am aware of God saying that in Deuteronomy 15:1-3 "At the end of every seven years thou shalt make a release. And this release: Every creditor that lendeth ought unto his neighbour shall release it; he shall not exact it of his neighbour, or of his brother; because it is called the Lord's release. Of a foreigner thou mayest exact it again: but that which is thine with thy brother thine hand shall release." To me that reads to all nations of then and of now. Please correct me if I'm wrong.
Hearing they will be deaf and seeing they will be blind. Then again, let's not argue among brothers and sisters about details, but be more concerned about a world that is wandering away from the TRUTH.
Actually there is biblical support in the Old Testament. Rabbi Cahn is pretty right on.
Messianic Jews tend to have a deeper understanding of scripture since they memorized and were taught OT
scripture from childhood. They also tend to be very learned in Hebrew and Greek.
Ahem, it was Joseph who was used to spare the people by saving grain for the 7 years of plenty, so there would be provision during the famine.
Lyn, God shows up every day, in the lives of those who acknowledge Him, & what He is doing. It is very clear, why you do not see His hand, His works, His signs. Your self righteous pride will not allow it. You are hardened in your belief that God does not do this or that. God does what He wants. Just because you don't understand, don't condemn someone else who does. Just as the Pharisees, you have a working knowledge of The Word, but you deny the power thereof. Praying for you to see, as only The Lord can open your eyes.
Having grown up in ministry, I am naturally suspicious of religious types. However, I've watched Jonathan Cahn and read his 2 books, "The Harbinger" and "The Mystery of the Shemitah." Though not a Bible scholar, I believe that he has a true heart for God and one thing is for certain— if he is a false teacher, God WILL expose him. Count on it. In his explanation of Shemitah, Rabbi Cahn plainly says that it can EITHER BE a time of blessing or curse on a person or nation, depending on that person/nation's standing with God. Looking at America today, it's obvious that Shemitah is not good for us. Perhaps the reason we struggle with understanding what he says is because our culture is structured around the Gregorian calendar, not the Hebrew calendar.
God will not expose him. God expects us to discern by studying the Word and praying in the Holy Spirit. Otherwise God would have to expose hundreds of other false teachers that have filled churches and are doing today. Here's a big one, many preach Jesus had to become born again. They define Jesus as going to hell and suffering at the hand of Satan.
That preaching/heresy has been around for decades, God never exposed this folks and they are wealthy.
Hi Lyn,
Again, I appreciate your defense of the Word of God. I'm just trying to get you to see that, in your zeal, you are throwing out the obvious and missing the spirit of the Word.
Does the Bible say that on January 5, 2015, 36 of the 50 US states will approve homosexual marriage? No, but it does say that homosexuality will be accepted in these last days and so as we see this happening, may we not find it of interest? But according to your logic, we should ignore this because it isn't specifically stated in Scripture. Does the Bible say that Africa will be a hotbed of Pentecostalism mixed with cultural pagan practices? No, but it does say that apostacy will be rampant in these last days and so as we see this happening, may we not find it of interest? But according to your logic, we should ignore this because it isn't specifically stated in Scripture.
Does the Bible say that the European Union and the United States will dictate to Israel the administration of Jerusalem as it's capitol even as Israelis are pummeled with "Palestinian" rockets because of said capitol? No, but it does say that Jerusalem will be a burdensome stone and so as we see this happening, may we not find it of interest? But according to your logic, we should ignore this because it isn't specifically stated in Scripture. Does the Bible say that just before the judgment of the nations at the last days there will be four blood moons exactly corresponding to four Biblical Feast days? No, but it does say that there will be signs in the moon and so as we see this happening, may we not find it of interest? But according to your logic, we should ignore this because it isn't specifically stated in Scripture. Nay, not only should we ignore it, but we should burn those at the stake who should even bring up the subject at all.
I will readily grant you that none of these things should capture our interest to the degree that the Person of Christ should. None of these things is meaningful in the same way that our place in the Body of Christ is meaningful. Yet, all of these things do affect the Body and all of these things are spoken of in Scripture. Can anyone even say that God is beginning to deal with Israel again without being called a heretic? Can anyone even say that it's interesting that now that Israel is back in the Land that we are beginning to see the signs of the times without being told that he's adding to the Word of God?
Lyn,
When you say that homosexuality has always been in the world, how do you know that? I'm not seeing homosexuality until we get to Sodom, in the time of Abraham, some 2200 years after the creation of the world. There may have been homosexuality prior to Sodom, but it's not spoken of in the Word, so we have to infer that, do we not? 🙂
Now, to my point about homosexuality and the end times. What I said was that the ACCEPTANCE of homosexuality is now becoming the norm. While there was bisexuality in the Roman Empire at the time of Christ, He doesn't speak of it during His ministry among the Jews because it was not a sin in which the Jews were engaging. His teaching about marriage, in another context entirely, allows us to infer that homosexuality is a sin. We see homosexuality in very limited pockets throughout world history. Up until just 10 years ago, most Americans were opposed to same-sex marriage, now most Americans are for it. In most cultures in which homosexuality has always been sinful, it is now more accepted. I'm thinking about the Hispanic and Asian cultures. And with acceptance comes the prevalance of experimenting, especially among youth. These are things that were completely not even on the radar when I was growing up. If you were homosexual back the 60s and 70s, you were severely ostracized. Now, not so much. That's all I'm saying.
As to your point about the signs followed by the immediate return of the Lord, I agree with you. When the signs in the sun, moon, and stars — coupled with the signs concering Israel the fig tree, the earthquakes in diverse places, the wars and rumors of wars, the false christs, and the pestilences — begin to happen, look up for your redemption draws near. Are you saying that there can only be one war and one rumor of war, one false christ, one pestilence, one earthquake? I assume you take the plurals as plurals, so then I will ask you: Are you saying that there can only be one sign in the moon that immediately precedes His return such that there can never be anything else out of the ordinary that happens to the moon during these last days? There have been blood moons throughout history. It is a very brief darkening of the moon, but now it just so happens that there will be four of them in succession all corresponding with Jewish Feasts. Now that Israel is back in the Land and the prophecies of Ezekiel, Isaiah, and Jeremiah referring to the regathering of the Jews are coming to fruition, it's just interesting. That's all I'm saying. The moom turning to blood to which Joel refers that immediately precedes the Lord's return will be far more dramatic than the blood moons that we've experienced throughout history, for sure.
I'm not looking for signs. I'm waiting on the Lord from Heaven to take me home and that's not dependent on signs. But as I'm waiting, I'm interested in whatever the Lord is doing in the heavens and on the earth. Every day He is doing things that aren't written in the Bible — all in accord with His Word, absolutely — but not every movement of heavenly bodies is written down. That doesn't mean He's not in control of it and that I shouldn't be interested in it. I look forward to see what He's doing with Israel because if He's doing it then it's important in at least some measure. I'm interested in whatever is in accord with His Word.
Thank you for the dialogue, Lyn. I'll let you have the last word.
"When you say that homosexuality has always been in the world, how do you know that?…we have to infer that, do we not?."
How do I know that there has always been homosexuality in the world…along with every other kind of sin imaginable? Just by reading the Word:
Gen 6:5 "And God saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually". Things were so bad way back there in Genesis that "the Lord repented that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him at his heart."
'Every imagination of the thoughts of his heart'….EVIL…CONTINUALLY. I don't think I am 'inferring' homosexuality existed from that text….every evil….EVERY! Right there…in God's Word. And here: Ecclesiastes 9:3b "…also the heart of the sons of men is full of evil, and madness is in their heart while they live.." Full of evil…so how could it be that homosexuality was not in their hearts… even from the Fall?
Hi rosinavoz,
I agree with you. I believe there was homosexuality prior to Sodom. My point was that this knowledge is gleaned by inferring it from the text you cited. Genesis 6:5 doesn't say that there was homosexuality, but it's probably safe to say that we may infer it from the text. You infer, based on what you wrote in your last paragraph, that homosexuality was occurring between Adam and Cain and/or Abel. Really? I wouldn't go that far in adding to the text. No way.
My point to Lyn was that we constantly, and rightly, infer and extrapolate when we read the Bible. Just because it doesn't explicitly say, "There will be four consecutive blood moons occurring on four Feast days in the latter days," I am choosing to infer, based on many Scriptures, that since God is the one Who controls the movements of the heavenly bodies and He is the one Who instituted the Feasts for Israel, that it's not unreasonable to be interested in what is currently happening viz. the blood moons (the moon being closely associated with Israel) and the Feast days.
No, I was not inferring homosexuality occurred between Adam and Cain. But it was soon after the Fall as the downward spiral of sin continued. We can see very quickly how things degenerated. Cain killed his brother and then he and his descendants lived in open rebellion against God. The first place we read of a man having more than one wife is with Cain's descendant, Lamech, Gen 4. Just because we don't read about homosexual sin before Sodom does not mean it did not exist much sooner. When the Bible says men were guilty of every evil back at the time of Noah that would have to include homosexuality.
Matthew 24 : 3 says "Now as He sat on the Mount of Olives, the disciples came to Him privately, saying, “Tell us, when will these things be? And what will be the sign of Your coming, and of the end of the age?” Why do you think the disciples asking for "sign" of His coming if we are not to look at the signs?
And then in verse 33 says " So you also, when you see all these things, know that it is near—at the doors!" Why is Jesus saying "when you see all these things"? Because He wants us "to see and know" both. Not that we should rely on signs and wonders but we must see if they are according to the word of God or not.
I believe Rabbi Jonathan Cahn's message is timely and with evidence! His message is of "Warnings" which is what "harbinger" word means. God warned israel and good thing is He is warning America. He is not just bringing the judgement immediately. He is merciful even in His judgement.
And Manny, what happened on the 25th? There was a foreshadowing of things to come. Now lets see if Cahn is accurate about Elul 29. Sept 13 2015. Read the material and learn it. At the moment you are an like an Ostrich with your head in the sand. You have not looked into it at all. This is wake up call to who ever is willing to truly look at it. Don't make comments about something you obviously do not understand.
Elul 29 is September 12th. Elul 30 is September 13th, and September 14th is Tishri 1.
So Jeremy, we are date setting again?! Ok we will see come September 13, 2015. I think you need to read scripture and stop following date setters who profess to be spokespersons for God. I'll post Septmeber 14, 2015 God willing, if I'm alive. As I said before, if anything happens that can be accounted to Shemitah, I'll bow the knee to Cahn…….. If nothing occurs, you should have the decency to admit the fraudulent teaching Cahn spews.
Hey Jeremy, I hope you realize now you were being led down the wrong path by a deceiver. I will not call you an ostrich as you might be feeling foolish, I won't hold it against you, but my friend the time is short, stop following Cahn and his kind. The caveat: Israel is Israel, America is America, God has no covenant with the U.S. Cahn could never be right, his premise is wrong. That what you need to understand. God's prophets only got one chance and they were always 100% accurate, Mr. Cahn is deceived.
Beware of men who seduce with words. God gave us His holy word. We have the Holy Ghost to teach us. We have no need of modern-day scribes. I live in a double wide in small town America. I have no formal education. But God speaks to me through His word, through the night, and sometimes in dreams. Even before Cahn's book., I awoke with these words: I am about to shake all that can be shaken and all that will remain is that which cannot be shaken. I say this not to boast but to say, people will not listen when God shows His people something and his people are always the least of any. Somehow, in America. you have to have a collage degree under your belt and a successful book to know the things of God. And yet, God said. "I will reveal to the mouth of babes what I hide form the wise and prudent. The more men learn the things of God from Barnes and Noble and TBN the less men know of God.